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Re: Le Minoxidil

Message non lupar willy31 » 11 Avr 2016, 06:12

Se laver les cheveux 4h après avoir appliquer du Minox, c'est correct ou il faut attendre plus longtemps?

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Re: Le Minoxidil

Message non lupar phil148748 » 19 Mai 2016, 13:14

Bon là, j'ai vraiment besoin d'un conseil pour prendre ma décision, quand ça sera fait, j'aurai enfin des vacances.

Le minox au bout de 3 jours, nan ça va pas le faire, j'ai déjà envie d'arrêter (avant les dégats et d'être vraiment piégé).
Quand je me mettais un seau de stemoxydine sur la tête, ça sentait bon, c'était cool, je pouvais arrêter quand je voulais, là non, c'est lancinant le minoxidil.
J'aimerais juste faire un dernier point (pour moi...) sur son mode d'action. Quand je ne pouvais pas encore prendre le prendre, en traînant sur les forums, j'avais trouvé un post sur le Minox, de DoctorHouse de HairLossTalk, qui m'avait assez convaincu qu'au final ça me plaisait pas plus mal d'avoir été obligé de faire l'impasse et que c'était vraiment le Propecia qui importait.

Donc, une dernière fois, j'aimerais savoir si le Minox par rapport à ce qu'il dit, c'est ça et pas plus (dopage, boost temporaire, illusion car plus de cheveux en phase de pousse) ou quand même, un peu plus...



"Rogaine will synchronize the hairs to shed all at the same time and grow at the same time. So think of it this way, without Rogaine certain hairs were going to shed as they normally do and that is what you are used to noticing. You add rogaine and it reprograms your hair to shed some hairs that were supposed to shed later EARLIER PLUS on top of that the normal amount you were going to shed if you were not using rogaine. So now you see more shedding than you normally do and its panic time. Now you have to wait another six months or longer until these hairs come back to the point you notice them. So during those six months you think your hair is getting worse and you panic the whole time waiting for them to return and that panic does not help your situation. It will take about 12 months to 24 months for the synchronized shed to appear to recover so you will always go thru these large sheds on and off as you use rogaine. Its a roller coaster ride. Once you get used to your new reprogramed shedding from rogaine, you panic less. All rogaine really is doing is keeping more hair in the growth phase so it appears your hair is thicker. Its all an illusion but its real. Some of the weaker hairs can get thicker so that will help too but eventually these weaker hairs will lose the battle if they are destined to become vellus hairs. So rogaine is like a time machine that reprograms your hair cycle to be more synchronized than when you don't use it. So when you stop using it your hair will go back to the way it used to synchronize and you will go thru one huge shed. And then it will take a year or more to eventually get to the way it used to synchronize before you used rogaine so you will go back to shedding alot less hair but the balding process will continue as it always has even when you were using rogaine but you will be convinced your hair is getting better now because you are shedding less and your panic is gone. However, little did you know is Rogaine did work but it never stopped your hair from balding in the first place it only gave you 2 years of unbelievable growth and thickening. However, if you used it and thought you were balding fast and later stop and things get better, its only because you are actually balding at a snails pace and Rogaine will work BEST on these people as it will keep the hair synched the way it did at first so you will seem to maintain on rogaine. However if you have aggressive balding which supposedly is not very common, once you stop using Rogaine you will continue to bald but you will notice it more because your hair is not synchronized the same as it was ON rogaine.

I stopped Rogaine due to sides. The other reason I stopped was because I realized it was just creating an illusion of thicker hair when it was in the growth phase but when it was in the shedding phase it looked worse and I would panic. I would rather stay with shedding less( without rogaine) hair than more as it psychologically makes you think your are not losing your hair as much. I have very mild thinning and it thins at a snails pace, so rogaine is theoretically a perfect choice because it will give me the illusion of thicker hair and my normal thinning will still go on but in my mind I will be convinced Rogaine is maintaining but its just I am not aggressively balding.So is Rogaine worth it for this illusion, not in MY case. I want something that can actually reverse or slow down balding. Supposedly Proxiphen and Propecia do that so I use them.So far its working( pyschologically at least) but maybe I would be fine without them too. Who knows? By the way this is why Rogaine will not save your hairline too. It took me many years for this to sink in so I hope I made it so you understand it better. This is why Rogaine will work if you don't have aggressive balding but it you do, it won't help much to the point its worth the hassle. Think about this logically, there is no way to know what would of happened if you never used anything if you decide to use something. You just are basically having faith in what you are currently using to believe it is helping. So for me as long as I believe using Proxiphen and Propecia is helping, I will believe its slowing down my thinning. I could gamble it all and stop both and still be thinning the same but I need my drugs to "survive" psychologically. Everyone in here who is using treatments is doing exactly the same. We use treatments to buy us confidence that our hair will not get worse but we will never know the true outcome unless we quit cold turkey. Some do and win and some don't and lose. I don't want to gamble with my hair right now. So I will continue to buy my faith as so many chose to do here."

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Re: Le Minoxidil

Message non lupar phil148748 » 19 Mai 2016, 14:50

[...] Thanks Bowser, I wish I would had that understanding when I first used Rogaine and I would have never bothered using it. Bryan helped me understand it better but I did my best now to make it more understandable with case scenarios. Blondguy, people use Rogaine out of desperation to buy the illusion of thicker hair for as long as it will last. Rogaine does work but only with Propecia will it work in the sense, you are actually slowing down balding. Propecia( or avodart if you don't mind a higher risk for more sides) is the most important treatment to use if you want to try to fight MPB. And like Rogaine, you will shed more at first with Propecia until your body gets used to it and then after 1 to 2 years shedding might SEEM to stabilize IF Propecia is slowing things down and winning the battle against YOUR predetermined genetic pattern of baldness. If Propecia is not going to win your battle, then you are still going to bald but maybe at a much slower pace to a point you think you might be maintaining. When you read about cases where someone continues to bald rapidly even if they are using Propecia alone or with Rogaine, this just means this person has very aggressive MPB and their predetermined genetic pattern will win the battle and they will blame the medication for doing it simply because they think these medications are supposed to work for everyone in the same manner.

Rogaine is basically icing on the cake that might keep the hairs looking thicker if Propecia is preventing them from becoming weaker or vellus. However, due to the side effects of Rogaine, I wont use it for my icing on my cake. I use Proxiphen for that as it does not give me sides. Blondguy, Propecia does work but if your genetics are very strong for MPB, you have to face the facts that you will still continue to bald but much slower. People think these medications might miraculous cure their situation so they will take the risk. Others just quit cold turkey and accept their fate. However, many people on here don't have super aggressive MPB, so all they have to decide is if they want to buy their confidence with a pill or lotion. I did and probably always will. However, I will be the first to admit, I don't have aggressive MPB so I will always be a success story no matter what I use. Blondguy it takes 2 to 3 years for shedding to slow down as long as you do not alter your treatments. Over the past year my shedding is very little now because my treatments are very consistent and I stopped using Rogaine which means I don't have a large synchronized shed to deal with every six months or so.

Rogaine DOES work but NOT as good as Propecia. In the first few years Rogaine reaches its maximum effect so for 2 years will see great results if you respond well to it and have non aggressive MPB. Look, if I did not get sides from Rogaine, I would still be using it. It does help some but nothing spectacular. If you don't mind the large sheds, Rogaine is fine. I am not saying it does not work, I am saying its not going to save your hair if you have aggressive MPB. Dr Rassman who writes a blog about hair loss info says he does not feel Rogaine is anything wonderful.

know if I would have known this, I would have never tried minoxidil first before fin. I can understand if you don't want to take Propecia due to age or potential sides. Then minoxidil is the only choice left if you are desperate to save your hair and quitting that would definitely be a big mistake as you may be lucky and maintain with it if you have very slow

..."Agreed with DoctorHouse. And when I quit Minoxidil I had a terrible Telogen effluvium. It took almost a year to recover as he mentioned. I wish I hadn't started it but all the fear of losing my hair made me keep at it until the side effects got bad."

..."With House on this one. He nailed it. I hate minox now and wish I never started. It was sweet when I had a massive regrowth and every girl was oooing and awwing at me, but i would much rather treat the problem with dht inhibitors and have good skin and natural hair than apply some sticky alcohol based liquid to my scalp twice a day. At the 2 year mark of minox my hair actually looked the worst! "

..."If I understand everything you said, Minoxidil will make your hair appear thicker because less strands will be in their shedding phase, but it does nothing to promote the life of a hair follicle."

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Re: Le Minoxidil

Message non lupar yabala » 22 Mai 2016, 16:02

le minox est seulement efficace au vertex non?ou ça vaut la peine d'en mettre sur tout le cuir chevelu?

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Message non lupar Lynxfatal » 02 Jan 2017, 08:01

Je vends du Minoxidil Foligaine P5 et N5 j'en ai plus l'utilité je fais l'envoi en colissimo suivi. http://www.paruvendu.fr/1ke2F1

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Message non lupar Oxyto » 04 Jan 2017, 00:07

Lynxfatal a écrit:Je vends du Minoxidil Foligaine P5 et N5 j'en ai plus l'utilité je fais l'envoi en colissimo suivi. http://www.paruvendu.fr/1ke2F1


Fais gaffe quand même, je ne suis pas certain que tu sois autorisé à vendre un médicament sur internet (même si il n'est pas listé). :1whistling:

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Re: Le Minoxidil

Message non lupar acb2112 » 04 Mai 2017, 15:25

Bonjour à tous ! Ayant été chez un docteur belges réputé , celui m'interdit d'opter pour la finasteride et me conseille le minoxidil , étant donner mon état actuel. Malgres que cela m'embete assez , j'aimerais avoir deux trois renseignements concernent le minoxidil ! Je porte à présent les cheveux long et nécessite ( lorsque je veux sortir ou me faire " beau " ) un coiffage au sèche cheveux , ou sinon à la pâte coiffante style cire! Ma question Va vers son application du matin , en mettant le minoxidil , puis je quand même me coiffer ( Pas directement après ) pour la journee , ou faut il laisser le cheveux Avec Va l'effet " gras " et incoiffable ?

2eme question : mon docteur me conseille le rogaine 5% en mousse ( foam Si je ne me trompe pas ) , celui ci est il efficace ?

Bien à vous. acb2112

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Message non lupar james333 » 04 Mai 2017, 17:50

acb2112 a écrit:Bonjour à tous ! Ayant été chez un docteur belges réputé , celui m'interdit d'opter pour la finasteride et me conseille le minoxidil , étant donner mon état actuel. Malgres que cela m'embete assez , j'aimerais avoir deux trois renseignements concernent le minoxidil ! Je porte à présent les cheveux long et nécessite ( lorsque je veux sortir ou me faire " beau " ) un coiffage au sèche cheveux , ou sinon à la pâte coiffante style cire! Ma question Va vers son application du matin , en mettant le minoxidil , puis je quand même me coiffer ( Pas directement après ) pour la journee , ou faut il laisser le cheveux Avec Va l'effet " gras " et incoiffable ?

2eme question : mon docteur me conseille le rogaine 5% en mousse ( foam Si je ne me trompe pas ) , celui ci est il efficace ?

Bien à vous. acb2112


la mousse c'est bien, moins irritant et c'est moins gras, mais sur cheveux long c'est compliqué à appliquer
28 ans
Nw3v/ nw4

-Début de perte 2011
-Privilégie le naturel au chimique (quand c'est possible)
2011: minox> fiasco et forte dégradation de nw2 à nw3v
2012-2016: état stable en nw3v avec (+1g/jour de chaque): racine ortie+courge
2016: légère dégradation > passage au reishi+saw palm+courge
Début 2017: stable / début minox mousse (sans ppg)

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Re: Le Minoxidil

Message non lupar acb2112 » 04 Mai 2017, 19:51

james333 a écrit:
acb2112 a écrit:Bonjour à tous ! Ayant été chez un docteur belges réputé , celui m'interdit d'opter pour la finasteride et me conseille le minoxidil , étant donner mon état actuel. Malgres que cela m'embete assez , j'aimerais avoir deux trois renseignements concernent le minoxidil ! Je porte à présent les cheveux long et nécessite ( lorsque je veux sortir ou me faire " beau " ) un coiffage au sèche cheveux , ou sinon à la pâte coiffante style cire! Ma question Va vers son application du matin , en mettant le minoxidil , puis je quand même me coiffer ( Pas directement après ) pour la journee , ou faut il laisser le cheveux Avec Va l'effet " gras " et incoiffable ?

2eme question : mon docteur me conseille le rogaine 5% en mousse ( foam Si je ne me trompe pas ) , celui ci est il efficace ?

Bien à vous. acb2112


la mousse c'est bien, moins irritant et c'est moins gras, mais sur cheveux long c'est compliqué à appliquer


D'accord mais tu peux quand même te coiffer en attendant la journée ? Avec de la cire ou sèche cheveu ?

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Message non lupar james333 » 04 Mai 2017, 20:07

acb2112 a écrit:
james333 a écrit:
acb2112 a écrit:Bonjour à tous ! Ayant été chez un docteur belges réputé , celui m'interdit d'opter pour la finasteride et me conseille le minoxidil , étant donner mon état actuel. Malgres que cela m'embete assez , j'aimerais avoir deux trois renseignements concernent le minoxidil ! Je porte à présent les cheveux long et nécessite ( lorsque je veux sortir ou me faire " beau " ) un coiffage au sèche cheveux , ou sinon à la pâte coiffante style cire! Ma question Va vers son application du matin , en mettant le minoxidil , puis je quand même me coiffer ( Pas directement après ) pour la journee , ou faut il laisser le cheveux Avec Va l'effet " gras " et incoiffable ?

2eme question : mon docteur me conseille le rogaine 5% en mousse ( foam Si je ne me trompe pas ) , celui ci est il efficace ?

Bien à vous. acb2112


la mousse c'est bien, moins irritant et c'est moins gras, mais sur cheveux long c'est compliqué à appliquer


D'accord mais tu peux quand même te coiffer en attendant la journée ? Avec de la cire ou sèche cheveu ?


oui bien sur mais ca graisse un peu le cheveux quand meme si tu en applique partout (sinon personnellement je trouve que le seche cheveux et tous les gel et cie agressent les cheveux et sont à éviter en cas d'alopécie)
28 ans
Nw3v/ nw4

-Début de perte 2011
-Privilégie le naturel au chimique (quand c'est possible)
2011: minox> fiasco et forte dégradation de nw2 à nw3v
2012-2016: état stable en nw3v avec (+1g/jour de chaque): racine ortie+courge
2016: légère dégradation > passage au reishi+saw palm+courge
Début 2017: stable / début minox mousse (sans ppg)

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